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Re: The Thirty Point Program To REBOOT AMERICA [commies???]



:From: Anonymous <nobody@replay.com>
:Subject: The Thirty Point Program To REBOOT AMERICA [commies???]
:
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:Citizens, hear me - I think we have a sick society
:here, and I want things to change. I have wrote the
:following manifesto,

Hrm.. Talked to Ted Kaczinsky lately?

: and I think I've created something
:important - an agenda for true change. 

Oh goodie!  I *love* agendas...

:Here is how to avoid future tragedies like the Littleton
:disaster. Here is how to begin the process of healing all of the ills 
:of our society.

A *panacea*!!!  How convenient.

:THE THIRTY-POINT PROGRAM TO REBOOT AMERICA:
:
:      VOTE INDEPENDENT NEXT ELECTION. The Democratic and Republican Parties

How about just "Vote in the next election"?  I find it pretty hard to
trust *anyone* (yes, 'even' you :) who is pushing a partisan solution...

:      WIRE OUR SCHOOLS. Kids who have adequate means of self-expression
:      and communication are unlikely to revert to anti-social behavior. 

Really?  Where did you pull this little gem from?  C'mon, don't be bashful
- share this newfound "factual knowledge" with the rest of us peons, so
that we may better study and learn!

:      THINK AND COMMUNICATE should be a mantra for today's institutions, 
:      starting with education. 

I'll agree to this one at least...

:      TEACH OUR KIDS TO RULE. Pass that word around. Our kids should be the 
:      national treasure, and athletic and intellectual competitions between 
:      nations should bring a national spotlight.

National Spotlight?  Athletic and intellectual competitions???  Are you
pushing national pride or the above mentioned panacea?  

:      Our kids should win every time. 

Now *this* is a sick concept.  You are not interested in *education*, you
are interested in achieving "bragging rights".

:      Schools should receive bonus funding based on their senior's
:      average score on a standardized test. 

Ahhhh.  So those "standardized tests" (which as we all know *doesn't*
favor any particular ethnic or social group) should determine funding
levels?  Isn't that what we have NOW?

:      Encourage parents to pay their kids allowance based on good grades.

ROFLMAO!!!  You are *absolutely right*!  This will _definitely_ reduce
future "Littleton's" </sarcasm>...

:      CIRCULATE PRIVATE WEALTH. No individual in a just society should be 
:      able to lay claim to more money than the budget of the poorest school
:      district in America. 

Huh?  Individual you say?  Didn't you mean individual school district? If
not, then what the hell are you blathering about?

:      Millions of dollars should be redistributed from this nation's
:      richest individuals in order to equalize our society's economic
:      base. 

Ahh yes!  The [Ayn Rand] "Equalization Of Opportunities Law".  Ever read
Ayn's works [particularly Atlas Shrugged]???

:      However, this should be done through encouraging public acts of
:      philanthropy, as opposed to some Marxist redistribution scheme

You mean you don't want to call a spade a spade.

:      we don't want to found our new society on coercion.

OK.  Just how would you "encourage public acts of philanthropy"?  Do you
consider governmental laws which are enforced by arms to be coercive? 

:      DIVERSIFY SCHOOL OFFERINGS. Classes in drum-machine programming, 
:      mural-painting, and HTML should join the classic foundation courses
:      in calculus and English.

Drum-machine programming and mural-painting?  Where the hell did this come
from? How is that going to stop kids from going postal?

:      Kids should be allowed to balance out basic needs 

*WHO'S* "basic needs"?  The student's or the person who the student is
being groomed to work for?  Right now we groom the poor folks to work at
McDonalds while we groom the [usually white/WASP] middle to upper "class"
folks to work at Boeing and McDonald-Douglas.  Catch my drift?

:      with electives that match their preferences, as early as junior
:      high.

Obviously, you came from a white, middle class school.  My school had no
"electives".  And why "as early as junior high"?  Why not sooner? What's
wrong with 1st grade or kindergarten?  Of course, I suspect that the
electives offered will continue to have more to do with the "expected"
destination of the student upon graduation: wouldn't want to waste a good
educational experience on some Burger-King cashier, would we???

:      Choice breeds intelligence.

Agreed.  So why are you telling us who to vote for, and what subjects
should be added to EVERYONE's core curriculum?

: ENHANCE VOCATIONAL TRAINING. Our young citizens must be taught that they
: must earn some form of money in order to begin anything.

How is this going to prevent future shootings?  Again, you are using
imperatives such as "must" - this prevents "choices"... Any contradictions
here???

: No child should be graduated from high school without some idea and
: articulation as to their possible destiny. 

So, learning for the sake of learning is to be banned?

: Guidance Counselors must be phased out, because each teacher must have a 
: perspective towards winning individuals towards their discipline

Try and rephrase that in ENGLISH. Nobody has the vaguest idea what you are
muttering about...

:      ENCOURAGE ENTERPRISE AS OUTLET. People who start businesses should be 
:      recognized and helped. They are the ones who figure out how to turn
:      labor and materials into wealth. 

Wealth again...  We see where you're centered... Just for your
information: having a WEALTHY country does not lead to a PEACEFULL
country.  Peace comes from justice: something that the USSA has been
notably lacking for the last 50 years or so...

: The entrepreneurial energy of our nation will be the envy of the world,
: and we shall once again become a true monument to the liberty and
: independence which founded us.

"The envy of the world"? This sounds a lot like Stalin's "we will bury
you" speech.  Once again, MONEY is NOT related to LIBERTY or INDEPENDENCE.
Save the flag waving crap for your white-yuppie-kids-only school: nobody
on this list is likely o buy into this line of pseudo-political excrement.

: TRUST KIDS NOT POLITICIANS to determine the course of education and
: the people who would teach them. Allow kids to "vote" for teachers,
: keeping the idiots out of the classroom.

First sane thing I've seen from this posting.

: PROVIDE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING. Culture and 
: community must be subsidized as building blocks of an organic citizenry.

Subsidized?  Uh, is this going to be a "voluntary" subsidy, or is the
government going to *coerce* the money out of me?  What the hell is "an
organic citizenry"?

: Through self-organizing via culture and interest, citizens find areas in 
: which they can agree and form coalitions, thus allowing for more
: efficient political maneuvering (thousands of thousand-person Lobbies as
: opposed to two major political parties).

What if I want to opt out?  What if your thousands of lobbies (which
already exist BTW) want to IMPOSE (that's _coercion_: didn't you say that
coercion was a no-no?) their majority will upon *me*?  Do I have the right
to say no?

: EDUCATION AS A GATEWAY TO ACHIEVEMENT as opposed to merely fitting into a
: context of boring, formulaic jobs in the capitalist world. 

Hey! Wait a minute here! Wasn't it you who were just touting the joys of
being "the envy of the world" etc.???  

: Such a world no longer exists. "Education is not about filling a bucket,
: but about lighting a fire."

Good quote. So what?  THIS will prevent future Littleton's?

: FREE OUR KIDS TO MAKE DECISIONS about sex, drugs, and whether or not to 
: stay in school. 

Why should we liberate the kids when we haven't liberated the rest of us?
You aren't singling out any particular group for preferential treatment,
*ARE YOU*???

: Our schools must be liberated; those kids should have been allowed to drop 
: out and make their way in the world as they saw fit. Instead, trapped within
: the context of institutionalized education, they responded by going 
: absolutely crazy.

How do you *KNOW* this?  I believe they responded as any *SANE* person
would when faced with a never ending ordeal.  Who says they were crazy?
Maybe they were acting in self defense?  The schools have become a virtual
war zone, and the "people" who run them could care less.  I have MANY
TIMES felt it necessary to send my kids to school with weaponry.

My point is that this has nothing to do with SCHOOL.  It's a societal
thing in microcosm.  And I am [already] thoroughly sick of the
self-serving, pompous, all-knowing (such as yours) soundbites...

:  WAR ON GUNS. Rather than continuing the futile "war on drugs", guns 
: should be banned and energetically eliminated from our society.

What happened to freedom of choices?  Do they disappear when YOU don't
like the choice we make?

: No society can be deemed just when individuals are allowed to own devices 
: that enable coercion.

Better do away with knives, cars, toasters, 2x4 beams, baseball bats,
etc...

: I don't want a bullet through me; you shouldn't want one, either.

Neither do I want to get hit by a car, but that doesnt mean I have the
right to BAN them...  

: And as for drugs, legalize 'em and tax 'em instead, to pay for 
: education!  

Oh, OK... It's ok to have drugs (because YOU think they are OK) but NOT
guns?  Check out the word HYPOCRISY in any local dictionary...  Why dont
we loosen up the ownership of guns, and tax that too?  And of course, we
could even put the money into education ;-)

: DISALLOW MONOLITHIC CONTROL OF MEDIA. Our nation's diversity must be
: accomodated by our media -

Agreed.  So what?

: freeing the airwaves for more radio and TV stations would allow meritocracy 
: to rule our media.

Care to back up this fantasy with some references?  Where would you PUT
these new stations?  How would they be operated?  Would the public have to
help fund them?  Would we subsidize those failing stations which were
broadcasting politically correct garbage (such as the anti-gun message)?

:      Rather than reflecting the sullen view of defeated old capitalists,

According to your flag-waving nationalist crap above, YOU are one of those
"defeated old capitalists" too.

: our media must represent the totality of our civilization, 

Yes, absolutely!  Let's be CERTAIN we don't leave ANYBODY out! After all,
that would be a predjudical act, right?  Let's tightly control all
broadcast content to be CERTAIN that EVERYONE is "fairly" represented!

: in customized ways. Media outlets from ~Lzine to cable channel,
: therefore, must be freed from tax, even subsidized upon reaching a certain
: level of quality.

You will subsidize them with what? My *coerced* tax moneys?  As for
"quality"... Wanna define that for me?

: DISSEMINATE REAL INFORMATION about sex, alcohol, drugs, and other important
: issues.

This will never happen while people like YOU are around.  Don't understand
what I'm saying? Reread your own drivel...

: Without correct

You did mean "accurate", didn't you ;-)   ???

: information from reliable sources, kids will tend to trust illicit means
: of information, to their peril.

"Illicit means of information"?  Now THERE is a truly terrifying
statement.  What defines "Illicit"?  Something that the censor doesn't
like, of course!  I object to your participation in the very *concept* of
an "illicit means of information".

: Schools must take it upon themselves to educate the complete child, not
: just teaching them a certain amount of science.

Oh, you mean "Physical Education" ;-)  ???

: MORE EXERCISE, LESS MEAT, BARELY ANY ALCOHOL, AND NO TOBACCO - through
: regulation 

There's that "freedom" platform again...

: and education,

Don't you mean "Re-Education", Comrade?

: a healthier population would be a happier population. Sport must be
: facilitated on a community basis as a means for achievement and expression 
: in society.

Yeah: regardless of the individual's feelings on the topic.  I MUST be
"healthy and happy" for the good of the community, right?  Blow me.

: EDUCATE ALL CITIZENS EQUALLY - as the ideal of democracy would imply.
: Differences in education across class, race, and geography do nothing to
: enhance the unity of our people. 

Agreed.  Of course, patronizing sermons like this don't help much either.
Especially when they are pushing yet another thinly-veiled Stalinist
State.

: All must be brought to a level of excellence,

Whether they want to be excellent or not?

: enabling a true national thought process 

Oooohhhh...  "A true national thought process"!!! Brainwashing! What a
[not] new idea...

: to guide our nation's affairs.

What a total crock of complete and utter shit...

: ENCOURAGE CULTURAL EXCHANGE - kids should be encouraged to travel to other
: parts of the country as often as is feasible.

I've got news for you Bozo: the vast majority of our kids can't afford to
go across TOWN, let alone across country!  Who's going to PAY for this
utopia?  Will it be VOLUNTARY?

: "Kid-swapping" should be encouraged (the Internet enabling a stable
:  connection) in order to disseminate the message of equality to our culture.

Putting aside for the moment all that "internet enabling a stable
connection" bullshit, what is this "message of equality" of yours?  If
there IS *actual* equality, the message will be self-spreading.  You need
not employ people to ARTIFICIALLY spread "the message" if the message is
REAL.

: Hostelling and travelling schools should be encouraged - travel being
: the ultimate cure for the loneliness and boredom of contemporary
: schooling.

And here I thought you were from a mere upper-middle-class school!  Little
did I suspect you were so WORLDLY!  Travel is the ultimate cure for
loneliness and boredom?  OK Jackie O...

:      CELEBRATE GREAT PARENTING through awards, grants, and tax breaks.
WAIT!  I thought that capitalism was dead?  Also, *define* "great
parenting" for me.  Who decides what is "great"?  You?  No thanks.

: Mandatory counseling for ALL prospective parents will encourage a more
: enlightened approach to parenting, thus improving our children's outlook
: and potential.

Generally, I would agree with this, however, you goal of "all prospective
parents" is unattainable unless you are going to license parents (for
conception).  This should be part of the school curriculum, along with
other mainstream subjects like math, reading, etc...

: Negligence or abuse should be seen by our society as intolerable and
: criminal.

In theory, it already is.  My problem is in the definition of negligence
and or abuse.  Is it really a felonious offense to leave an 11 year old
alone for more than 4 hours unattended (it is [was?] in Missouri).  Is it
really "abuse" to teach a kid an ethical/moral system which deviates from
the WASP mainstream?

: AN INTERNET HELPLINE FOR ALL a place on the Internet for kids through
: seniors to report all instances of abuse.

ROFLMAO!!!  Maybe you haven't noticed it over in your goddamned ivory
tower there, but not EVERYONE has a computer or internet connectivity!  I
guess the kids that can't afford it don't warrant protections though,
right?

: No citizen should be isolated from a secure, untracable helpline 

I can agree to that, provided this help line is UNIVERSALLY available.
Say, have you ever heard of a TELEPHONE?  Why should only the rich kids
have protection?

: - such a resource would definitely have prevented the tragedy that was
: Littleton, Colorado last Tuesday.

Definitely?  Really??  You are completely, totally full of shit.  Prove
this specious assertion.  In fact, I won't even make you PROVE it - just
make a reasoned defense of it!  Not possible.

: EDUCATION ITSELF MUST BE NEWSWORTHY - parents and children alike must 

There go those imperatives again... Nothing like a "freedom-loving"
hypocrite for you...

: have a deep interest in representing their views about education in a
: national forum.

And we can just dispense with those who disagree, right?

: ACCELERATE OUR CULTURE. Bring the media spotlight towards that which would 
: enlighten our nation.

Huh? "Enlighten our nation"??? Just what kind of enlightenment did you
have in mind? Save the platitudes...

: Celebrate heroism in everyday life, until the greatest percentage of people
: are deemed that most exciting of adjectives - "newsworthy".

So, you planning to write for Rupert Murdoch when you get out of
kindergarten?  Drivel.  150% drivel...

: EDUCATE ABOUT EDUCATION. Help people get involved with the educative
: process. 

Exactly how would they be "helped"?

:Allow radio deejay's to educate. 

OK.  Can others do it too?  How about KKK members?  B'nai Brith followers?
Menachim Begin or Netanyahu types?  Is this to be a truly open educational
process?

: Bring our culture into the mix through real participation of our
: citizenry in such matters as curriculum, environment and alternatives.

And how would you propose we DO that (voluntarily of course)?  You're
spilling platitudanal diarreah again...

: CREATE A DONATION-CENTRIC CULTURE. Place charity at the center of the 
: national moral map - great donors should be celebrated across the media,
: whether their donation be money, volunteer effort,
: or simple bravery.

So, to be _moral_, I need only be [seen] contributing to the "right"
causes, huh?  Let me repeat the earlier question: can KKK members
contribute?  Netanyahu?  Bill Klinton?

: All society benefits from a solid foundation of society-conscious
: organizations.

Agreed, *however*, society does NOT benefit from self-concious
"contributors" who are merely utilizing this vehicle for non-societal
purposes.  Actually, I need to think about this assertion, I *may* be
wrong... Hrm...

: SAY NO TO THE APPARENTLY CERTAIN FATE OF THE HUMAN RACE. Disable all nuclear
: weapons before Y2K,

Yeah, they may go off on the Y2K event, right? <<<deep belly laugh>>>

: cool down the Balkan conflict for six months,

More platitudes.  How, exactly, do you propose we "cool down" the Balkan
"conflict" [USSA-approved genocide]?

: equalize trade imbalances through investment in local entrepreneurship 
: worldwide, 

There's that "old capitalist" peeking out again...

: determine a global course of action to address such plagues as poverty,

Poverty isn't a plague: it's by design dummy!

: injustice and overpopulation.

Be specific please: it was *you* who claimed to have this "plan"...  What
is your cure for injustice and overpopulation?

: Encourage the privatization of regions of outer space. As far as I'm
: concerned, Armageddon must be avoided at all cost.

_Excuuuuse Me_!  How does one follow from the other?  "Privatization of
regions of outer space" is going to help prevent Littletons???

: ADD TO THIS LIST. In private conversations, via emails, on the Web 

Yeah!  Why stop at just a mere handful of outlandish drivel when we can
expand it into another Federal Register?  There is NOTHING better for us
that MORE LAWS!

: - our nation's expression of what it should mean to be Americans should
be as diverse as our people. 

So tell me Beaver, what does/"should it mean to be Americans"???  
Total Nationalist Crap!  Go tell it to Goebbels, he would be proud of your
attempt (weak as it is).

: Freedom of the press NOW COSTS NOTHING.

Wrong.  Freedom of the press costs a lot of very rich people an awful lot
of money.  Besides, you have not advocated a free press ANYWHERE in the
above paragraphs - go look.


: You should participate.

Yes, I should.  But *you* shouldn't.  Not until you're ready to kill the
crap and use whatever brain cell may be lurking around up there.

:Don't:
:
: BAN THE TRENCHCOAT. Such superficial gestures of censorship only spur the 
: youth on towards madness.

Wait a minute bub.  You can advocate the banning of firearms, yet fight
the banning of trenchcoats?  You don't see a problem here?

: We need to encourage our kids to be as FREE as possible, and bring them
: into the fold of an open-hearted community early on in life

Find this "open-hearted community", THEN talk to me.

: - we DON'T need to put chains on their free expression!

Really? Isn't that what you have advocated here?

: LET FEAR INTERFERE WITH YOUR JOY. We must rebuild after this disaster, and
: building doesn't mean mourning - building means becoming effective.

"Rebuild"?  Rebuild what?  Your statement that "building means becoming
effective" is a nonsensical statement.  Great soundbite, but totally
meaningless.

: The best way you can become more effective is by achieving joy,

BUT, I have to "achieve joy" using only those methods approved of by you,
right?  Drugs, meat, etc. are OUT, yes?

: then channelling that joy towards your work and towards others. Heal
: yourself psychically, and commit yourself to a better world.

Doctor: Heal thyself!

: FORGET ANYTHING YOU JUST READ. 

I won't.  No matter how hard I try.  It's really _sad_...

: Others will tell you how terrible everything is, and they will
: insist that you continue to believe that things are getting worse. They
: aren't.

So, you are right, and everybody else is wrong.  Prove it.  Put up or shut
up dumbfuck.

: The time is ripe for you to truly GET INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING YOU CAN. Do
not let others discourage you.

Even if I want to get involved in drug use?  Or handgun marksmanship?

:        thanks for spreading this around...
:     !!!srini x - http://www.unamerican.com/

Don't thank *me*: I'm not going to spread this crap *anywhere*...

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin@mfn.org

--
If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...
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