Re: CDR: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: whyworry?)

[trogers@Dominionsc.com]

---------------------- Forwarded by Thomas C. Rogers/DSC on 03/02/2000 07:38 
PM
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Tom Vogt <tom.vogt@ricardo.de> on 03/02/2000 04:53:21 AM

To:   mgraffam@idsi.net
cc:   cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com, cypherpunks@toad.com (bcc: Thomas C.
      Rogers/DSC)

Subject:  Re: CDR: Re: damn commie hypocrite leech! (was Re: Re: Re: 
whyworry?)




mgraffam@idsi.net wrote:
> I know of no way to lend support to the idea that government in general
> needs good leadership -- history shows that particular governments
> (namely, those that mankind has managed erect) suffer from bad
> leadership.
>
> OTOH, I will admit that humanity is fairly new to the game..
> widespread experiments in government outside of monarchy are a fairly new
> development (and still not COMPLETELY widespread, of course).
>
> Maybe some smart guy will manage to come up with an idea that could
> survive a bunch of crooks here and there.

I think the romans did. they finally lost the fight and state, but it
lasted for quite a long time, didn't it? and survived a whole bunch of
crooks.

>Oh to the contrary, the Romans incorporated the chicanery into the standing
government. Poisonings, back alley stabbings, incestuous marriages and most
every immaginable vice and aberration took place during the many years that 
the
Roman Republic was in existence. When the Republic was replaced with a 
Tyranny,
it only spun up. Madness and gluttony were the order of the day, bread and
circuses ( gut spilling, animal slaughtering, combat spectacles were offered 
).
There were no flying Wallendas. The only flying was done by eagles trained to
attack bound naked victims. Yeah, much to admire and emulate there.