Re: Raptor Firewall

[mark.teicher@networkice.com]

I agree that it may a little upfront to state this, but from the take on 
the firewall market at this moment in time, and seeing the changes 
happening on a monthly basis in the firewall and IDS industry, I still 
think there will be a merger of the product space in order for the IDS 
market to glean off already established customers.  One stop security 
solution.

That is how Axent was positioning themselves prior to the acquisition.

/m

At 08:57 PM 8/31/00 -0400, mcmahoncpa wrote:
>It might be prudent to have a wait-n-see attitude if you run Raptor on 
>Solaris.
>
>- mcmahon
>
>mark.teicher@networkice.com wrote:
>
> > Symantec acquiring Axent Technologies should not change the support
> > structure that Axent/Raptor has built over the years.  in essence compared
> > to Raptor, Checkpoint is the only firewall company that has not been
> > acquired in the last few years.
> > Symantec not only bought Axent Technologies but also acquired their
> > engineers.  Especially with the Symantec's L-3 acquisition a while back,
> > they now have quality engineers from 3 companies instead of one.
> >
> > I am predicting that NetProwler 3.5 IDS product will be eventually merge 
>in
> > the Symantec Norton Internet Security 2000 product to go head to head with
> > some other unmentioned vendor in the personal Firewall/IDS space, and then
> > combine Raptor Firewall/NetProwler/ITA/ESM to go head to head against
> > Checkpoint/RealSecure  with a Corporate Firewall/IDS product.
> >
> > So this is a blessing for ICSA, since they will again collect more money
> > from Firewall vendors since they have to test all over again, because the
> > products have now been combined together.  Expect lots of bugs and
> > integration issues to crop up as the first/beta copies become available in
> > the next few months and in about a year from now, the integrated products
> > will be much better or worse, depending on your view about integrated
> > products.  A year from now, is it a good firewall or a good ids or a
> > mediocre both.
> >
> > This also means any product knowledge that good infosec people have 
>already
> > accumulated about products will have to be totally flushed and 
>re-acquired,
> > which then allows SANS/GIAC, USENIX to revamp their material to address 
>all
> > the new changes, features, bugs, etc.
> >
> > Hope this makes sense.
> >
> > /m
> >
> > At 08:05 AM 8/31/00 -0400, Crumrine, Gary L wrote:
> > >It is real easy to make statements like this without having factual 
> data to
> > >back it up.   That amounts to a cheap shot.  I think time will tell if 
> there
> > >are going to be any major changes.  In my daily operations, I have had 
> some
> > >pretty close relations with their technical staff, along with their 
> vendors.
> > >I do not get a sense of impending doom that you suggest.  Also, to 
>compare
> > >this action to what happened with another company is totally unfair as 
> well.
> > >I agree with one of the other person's answers.... that this was a money
> > >deal.. nothing more, and I think that it helps both companies strengthen
> > >their financial pictures.  Think about it, instant market share, non
> > >competing product lines, both are industry leaders... come on, it make
> > >perfect business sense.  I can see nothing but a stronger company 
>emerging
> > >from this.  In addition, with AXENT's soon to be released entry into the
> > >appliance market, they look even better than before.  It made sense to 
>buy
> > >now, before the big release rather than having to pay more for it later.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Carric Dooley [SMTP:carric@com2usa.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:18 PM
> > > > To:   Ricky Gomez; firewalls@lists.gnac.net
> > > > Subject:      Re: Raptor Firewall
> > > >
> > > > It's not "Raptor's" firewall.  It was Axent Raptor, but they sold 
> out to
> > > > (of all people) Symantec.  I would be really careful choosing this 
> as my
> > > > enterprise FW solution.  You may want to hold off, or find another
> > > > solution altogether.  =)
> > > >
> > > >       ----- Original Message -----
> > > >       From: Ricky Gomez <mailto:Ricky.Gomez@Kellstrom.com>
> > > >       To: firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET <mailto:firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET>
> > > >       Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:05 PM
> > > >       Subject: Raptor Firewall
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       Has anyone ever used Raptor's firewall software ? Any advice 
> on it,
> > > > ADV, DISADV, I'm looking into using it.
> > > >
> > > >       Ricky Gomez
> > > >       Information Technology Department
> > > >
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