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RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam

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Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
From: ian poulin <ian=poulin%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 9:16:45 -0400

There are two reasons one may want to take the CCSA/E exams:

1.  While many technical leads may or may not put stock into certifications, HR
 reps tend to;  its a way for someone seeking employment to get their resume
"out of the stack" and into the hands of the next level.

2.  Some companies pay premium bonuses for every certification employees
receive.  My brother just received his Cisco certification (classes and tests
paid for by his employer) and received a $10K bonus from his company.  His MCSE
 paid the same.

Ian Poulin
---------- Original Text ----------

From: <sirving@ca.ibm.com>, on 9/3/99 8:38 AM:


Why are people taking the CCSA/CCSE exams?  As a person that doesn't believe
too
much in certifications I am wondering why people are paying money to obtain a
piece of paper that says they know how to do their job.  This is even more
valid
when you consider that everyone says there are wrong answers and misleading
questions on the test.

I know I probably won't get any answers back but thought I would ask.



Mike Givens <mikeg@iowa.com> on 09/02/99 02:58:36 PM

Please respond to Mike Givens <mikeg@iowa.com>

To:   "'Vervoort Susan'" <SueV@SAMG.com>, "'Hutchison, Jim'"
      <JimHutchison@metronet.ca>, "'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'"
      <fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
cc:
Subject:  RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam





We just took the course's, and the instructor stated, and I quote:

"Study the User Guides only !  All the answers are in those books ! "

I am getting ready to take the CCSA and CCSE test on the same day. (In about
three weeks.)

Wish me luck !

Mike Givens MCSE

-----Original Message-----
From: Vervoort Susan [mailto:SueV@SAMG.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:38 PM
To: 'Hutchison, Jim'; 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam



yep. 500 is right, the only other way to get that book, is to take a 2500$
course.
I however passed the CCSA without the course or the course guide.
I used the 75$ firewall 1 manual to study from. I took the exam three times
though... That was because with no third party input, it is hard to know
what to study...
I missed the first exam by 3 questions and the second by 1. My reason was
that i had no idea what questions were incorrect on the first one, so i
second guessed myself on the second exam...
After migrating our our firewall and doing some more studying, i passed the
third one no problem...

Hope that gives some insight from someone who did it the hard way...


Thanx
Sue V

Susan Vervoort-Airey
Sales & Merchandising Group
Exchange & Web Administrator
905-238-8058 x263
416-563-5521 pager
mailto:suev@samg.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Hutchison, Jim [SMTP:JimHutchison@metronet.ca]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:08 AM
> To:     'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> Subject:     RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
>
>
> ...a question about Canadian training:
>
> I've found that the best I can do for self-directed CSSE training is to
> buy
> the manual from a training shop for $500 and write the exam for $200.
> Checkpoint JUST recently removed the order form for the manuals so only
> authorized traning centers can buy the material.
>
> Is this anyone else's experience?  500 clams for a manual seems steep to
> me...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vervoort Susan [SMTP:SueV@SAMG.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 7:02 AM
> > To:   'Chris Dodd'; 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > Subject:   RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> >
> >
> > Yes, that manual you got in class.
> > And the Standard manual you can get off the cd or in a big red box form
> > checkpoint...($75.00)
> >
> > There are 47 questions, you need 33 to pass.
> > I would not say they are hard, but they are tricky. Some questions have
> > you
> > trying to figure out if they mean what they are saying, or if the
> question
> > is just poorly written...
> > I managed to pass it though...
> >
> >
> > Thanx
> > Sue V
> >
> > Susan Vervoort-Airey
> > Sales & Merchandising Group
> > Exchange & Web Administrator
> > 905-238-8058 x263
> > 416-563-5521 pager
> > mailto:suev@samg.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:    Chris Dodd [SMTP:Chrisd@remingtonltd.com]
> > > Sent:    Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:29 PM
> > > To: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By 'study guide', do you just mean the Student User Guide?  Thats the
> > only
> > > book I got in my CCSA class.
> > >
> > > How hard are the tests?  I feel that I know the class material very
> well
> > > and
> > > use the product anyway.
> > >
> > > CHris
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vervoort Susan [mailto:SueV@SAMG.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:44 AM
> > > To: 'Poulin, Alex'; 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last time i checked (my exam is tomorrow) there were no practice
> > questions
> > > or exams.
> > > They say the best thing is to read the "manuals" that you can order
> from
> > > checkpoint and go over the study guide.
> > > I found that there aren't even any third party books out there yet...
> > (one
> > > in the works...)
> > >
> > > Hope that helps...
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > > Sue V
> > >
> > > Susan Vervoort-Airey
> > > Sales & Merchandising Group
> > > Exchange & Web Administrator
> > > 905-238-8058 x263
> > > 416-563-5521 pager
> > > mailto:suev@samg.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:  Poulin, Alex [SMTP:Alex.Poulin@emergis.com]
> > > > Sent:  Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:14 AM
> > > > To:    'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > > Subject:    [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > >     I would like help and suggestion before taking the CCSA exam, I
> > did
> > > > the
> > > > CCSA course and I want to passe the CCSA exam before doing the CCSE
> > > > course.
> > > > Anybody have sample questions or sample exam?
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Alex....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alex Poulin
> > > > Emergis Development
> > > > BCE Emergis
> > > > tel:(514) 868-2200 #3666 / fax:(514) 868-2324
> > > > alex.poulin@emergis.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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