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RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
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Irregardless of how you argue the issue, the fact still remains that we
still have to play by the rules that net us the best positions, with the
best companies. Every profession in the technical industry needs to have
some measurement of what knowledge you have in the field. It may not be fair
to those who have tons of experience and no certifications, but I have found
that sometimes classroom instruction gives me more insight into what I am
working with than hands on experience alone. Think of certifications as good
addition to hands on experience. Besides, if the HR person is smart they
will look at experience as well as certifications!
Thanks,
Larry Ingalls
WAN Administrator
Terra Industries
Office (712) 277-7331
Fax (712) 277-7234
Lingalls@terraindustries.com <mailto:Lingalls@terraindustries.com>
"Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right to be wrong,
because then you will lose the ability to learn new things and move forward
with your life." -Dr. David M. Burns
-----Original Message-----
From: sirving@ca.ibm.com [SMTP:sirving@ca.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 8:16 AM
To: Ingalls, Larry
Cc: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
Your arguement is why I really dislike the whole certification
process that
started with CNE's. I have seen good and bad people using Cisco,
Netware, NT
and Checkpoint and I have yet to find any sort of relationship
between having a
certification and being able to do the work. It's about time hiring
mangers
woke up and realized that all these tests prove is that the person
can memorize
details in a book.
And if you take it to the extreme, then what does a college degree
even give you
versus learning while doing.
"Ingalls, Larry" <LIngalls@terraindustries.com> on 09/03/99 08:56:41
AM
Please respond to "Ingalls, Larry" <LIngalls@terraindustries.com>
To: Stuart Irving/Markham/IBM@IBMCA
cc: "'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'"
<fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
I hate to tell you this, and maybe it is just because you haven't
looked for
a job in awhile, but those certifications are what help you resume
stand out
from the crowd! I also am a strong believer in actual experience,
but with
out something to prove that you know what you are talking about how
are
people to know? Especially if they are looking for somebody to fill
a
position and don't know you from a hill of beans? If you don't
believe in
certifications, then do you not also believe in a college degree?
I'm not
being critical, but how does anyone know if you measure up if you
have no
certifications? Just my two cents.
Thanks,
Larry Ingalls
WAN Administrator
Terra Industries
Lingalls@terraindustries.com <mailto:Lingalls@terraindustries.com>
"Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right to be
wrong,
because then you will lose the ability to learn new things and move
forward
with your life." -Dr. David M. Burns
-----Original Message-----
From: sirving@ca.ibm.com [SMTP:sirving@ca.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 7:32 AM
To: Mike Givens
Cc: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
Why are people taking the CCSA/CCSE exams? As a person that
doesn't
believe too
much in certifications I am wondering why people are paying
money to
obtain a
piece of paper that says they know how to do their job. This
is
even more valid
when you consider that everyone says there are wrong answers
and
misleading
questions on the test.
I know I probably won't get any answers back but thought I
would
ask.
Mike Givens <mikeg@iowa.com> on 09/02/99 02:58:36 PM
Please respond to Mike Givens <mikeg@iowa.com>
To: "'Vervoort Susan'" <SueV@SAMG.com>, "'Hutchison, Jim'"
<JimHutchison@metronet.ca>,
"'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'"
<fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
cc:
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
We just took the course's, and the instructor stated, and I
quote:
"Study the User Guides only ! All the answers are in those
books !
"
I am getting ready to take the CCSA and CCSE test on the same
day.
(In about
three weeks.)
Wish me luck !
Mike Givens MCSE
-----Original Message-----
From: Vervoort Susan [mailto:SueV@SAMG.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:38 PM
To: 'Hutchison, Jim';
'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
yep. 500 is right, the only other way to get that book, is to
take a
2500$
course.
I however passed the CCSA without the course or the course
guide.
I used the 75$ firewall 1 manual to study from. I took the exam
three times
though... That was because with no third party input, it is
hard to
know
what to study...
I missed the first exam by 3 questions and the second by 1. My
reason was
that i had no idea what questions were incorrect on the first
one,
so i
second guessed myself on the second exam...
After migrating our our firewall and doing some more studying,
i
passed the
third one no problem...
Hope that gives some insight from someone who did it the hard
way...
Thanx
Sue V
Susan Vervoort-Airey
Sales & Merchandising Group
Exchange & Web Administrator
905-238-8058 x263
416-563-5521 pager
mailto:suev@samg.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hutchison, Jim [SMTP:JimHutchison@metronet.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:08 AM
> To: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
>
>
> ...a question about Canadian training:
>
> I've found that the best I can do for self-directed CSSE
training
is to
> buy
> the manual from a training shop for $500 and write the exam
for
$200.
> Checkpoint JUST recently removed the order form for the
manuals so
only
> authorized traning centers can buy the material.
>
> Is this anyone else's experience? 500 clams for a manual
seems
steep to
> me...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vervoort Susan [SMTP:SueV@SAMG.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 7:02 AM
> > To: 'Chris Dodd';
'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> >
> >
> > Yes, that manual you got in class.
> > And the Standard manual you can get off the cd or in a big
red
box form
> > checkpoint...($75.00)
> >
> > There are 47 questions, you need 33 to pass.
> > I would not say they are hard, but they are tricky. Some
questions have
> > you
> > trying to figure out if they mean what they are saying, or
if
the
> question
> > is just poorly written...
> > I managed to pass it though...
> >
> >
> > Thanx
> > Sue V
> >
> > Susan Vervoort-Airey
> > Sales & Merchandising Group
> > Exchange & Web Administrator
> > 905-238-8058 x263
> > 416-563-5521 pager
> > mailto:suev@samg.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Dodd [SMTP:Chrisd@remingtonltd.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:29 PM
> > > To: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By 'study guide', do you just mean the Student User
Guide?
Thats the
> > only
> > > book I got in my CCSA class.
> > >
> > > How hard are the tests? I feel that I know the class
material
very
> well
> > > and
> > > use the product anyway.
> > >
> > > CHris
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vervoort Susan [mailto:SueV@SAMG.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:44 AM
> > > To: 'Poulin, Alex';
'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last time i checked (my exam is tomorrow) there were no
practice
> > questions
> > > or exams.
> > > They say the best thing is to read the "manuals" that you
can
order
> from
> > > checkpoint and go over the study guide.
> > > I found that there aren't even any third party books out
there
yet...
> > (one
> > > in the works...)
> > >
> > > Hope that helps...
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > > Sue V
> > >
> > > Susan Vervoort-Airey
> > > Sales & Merchandising Group
> > > Exchange & Web Administrator
> > > 905-238-8058 x263
> > > 416-563-5521 pager
> > > mailto:suev@samg.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Poulin, Alex [SMTP:Alex.Poulin@emergis.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:14 AM
> > > > To: 'fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com'
> > > > Subject: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I would like help and suggestion before taking the
CCSA
exam, I
> > did
> > > > the
> > > > CCSA course and I want to passe the CCSA exam before
doing
the CCSE
> > > > course.
> > > > Anybody have sample questions or sample exam?
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Alex....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alex Poulin
> > > > Emergis Development
> > > > BCE Emergis
> > > > tel:(514) 868-2200 #3666 / fax:(514) 868-2324
> > > > alex.poulin@emergis.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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