RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam

[Brendan Choi <bchoi@live365.com>]

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Certifications make sense for things that are very proprietary. Cisco certs,
MS certs make sense to me.

Certs like a Solaris cert, HP-UX or Linux cert are less important because
most UNIX admins can handle a variety of platforms, and that is reflected in
the hiring process.

I suppose a FW-1 cert is necessary if the customer has no time for someone
who needs to be brought up to speed on the specifics of the product.
Otherwise, someone who can master other firewalls can master this one.



Brendan




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> [mailto:owner-fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com]On Behalf Of
> sirving@ca.ibm.com
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:06 AM
> To: Dave Long, NCR
> Cc: fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com
> Subject: RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
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> I am not argueing against the CCS? course; in fact I feel
> everyone should take
> them.  I am just arguement against the certification process.
>
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> "Dave Long, NCR" <dave.long@unitedkingdom.ncr.com> on 09/03/99 11:12:50 AM
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> Please respond to "Dave Long, NCR" <dave.long@unitedkingdom.ncr.com>
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> To:   Stuart Irving/Markham/IBM@IBMCA
> cc:   fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com
> Subject:  RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam
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> > And if you take it to the extreme, then what does a college
> > degree even give you versus learning while doing.
>
> Structured education is valuable even if it is necessarily more broadly
> based than on-the-job learning. There are possibly bits of the
> CCSx courses
> that I'll never need to use BUT I can't tell ahead of time which they are.
> There are certainly bits of my IT degree that I've never had to
> use for real
> but still, having done a section on database design I feel I'm better
> equipped to talk to a database person about security, say, should the need
> arise.
>
> I think what I'm working my way round to saying is that you could
> certainly
> get the level of knowledge contained in CCSE by work experience, but you
> wouldn't get it in the same time. So someone who does CCSE and then starts
> applying it in the real world will soon be ahead of someone who
> missed CCSE
> but spent the time getting a few days' more real world experience.
>
> And that's not counting the fringe benefits of formal education, like an
> instructor who (hopefully) knows more than you and will answer questions,
> and a bunch of like-minded people with whom to bounce ideas
> around and share
> experiences. Oh, and not having a customer breathing down your
> neck wanting
> to know when the darn firewall is going to be operational helps too!
>
> Another way of putting it is that courses are like learning by
> other peoples
> mistakes instead of having to do everything the hard way yourself. Of
> course, if manuals were well-structured, well-written and error-free, we
> could all get there by self-paced learning instead.
>
> Having said all that, one of my younger brothers gave up his
> college course
> for a job in computing, moved on to contracting and earns nearly
> twice what
> I get, so maybe I should keep quiet!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Long
> NCR UK
>
> Statements and opinions in this email are mine and not necessarily NCR's.
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