RE: [FW1] Helo for CCSA Exam

[John Horn <jhorn1@desperate.ci.tucson.az.us>]

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Dave A. Flanigan wrote:

> 
> Dave:
> 
>          While there is definitely merit to what you are saying, isn't it 
> putting the cart before the horse? The CCSE/CCSA, as with any professional 
> certification is supposed to be an pedigree saying "I know" not "I am 
> learning".  If anyone who can read a couple of books can go and pass the 
> certification exam, then is it really of value?
> 
>          I believe the fault lies with this particular certification 
> process, not concept as a whole. Take Cisco's CCIE certification as an 
> example of a certification process that works. There are only 5 CCIEs in 
> the Cleveland area (for example) and many who have tried and failed. The 
> process is long, and includes testing, and grueling lab. At the end there 
> is no question (to you, and to the world) that you know what you are doing. 
> Only then are you awarded the CCIE certification.  Unless it takes both a 
> good amount of study, and a good amount of real world experience to 
> accomplish the certification, then it becomes meaningless.
> 
>          Having taken both the CCSE and CCSA I can honestly say that they 
> should be handing out "Certificates of Completion" not certifications.
> 
>          Dave

You are absolutely correct. CCIE is an extremely rare exception to the
norm however. That norm renders virtually all certifications meaningless.
Cisco is to be commended for not having significantly relaxed the
certification process in spite of some customer pressure to do so.

> 
> At 04:12 PM 9/3/99 +0100, Dave Long, NCR wrote:
> >I think what I'm working my way round to saying is that you could certainly
> >get the level of knowledge contained in CCSE by work experience, but you
> >wouldn't get it in the same time. So someone who does CCSE and then starts
> >applying it in the real world will soon be ahead of someone who missed CCSE
> >but spent the time getting a few days' more real world experience.
> 
> 
> 
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Regards:

John Horn
City of Tucson, IT Dept.
jhorn1@desperate.ci.tucson.az.us



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